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Air miles vs sea miles

Thread started on 16/5/2007 08:05

liz_barratt

I have been out in the US for work for 6 months, and flew out here. I try to keep my carbon emissions as low as possible, however obviously moving to the states has had a big impact. I have recently been looking at my carbon emissions in both the sttes and what they were in the UK, and am also thinking of how to get home. I was thinking of cruising across the atlantic for a number of reasons, but a big issue is the carbon footprint of flying, however when looking into the emissions it appears that the emissions from a ferry journey is more per mile than long haul flights. I didn’t find any information on cruise ships, but would guess that it will be higher than ferrys as they are bigger and less densely packed. Does anybody know whether the impact of me flying back to the UK would be higher than sailing and what the best way (in green terms) of travelling from the US to the UK would be? (I put the details into google maps, it suggested swimming across the atlantic, I am not looking at anything that radical)

Liz

Cruising at least twice as bad as flying

john ackers

john ackers

If you turn to page 184 of Monbiot's Heat (thanks Almuth), you will see that he quotes numbers from George Marshall at COIN for the QEII. Cunard say the ship burns 433 tonnes of fuel per day and it takes six days to travel from Southampton to New York. It carries 1790 passengers. If the ship is full, each passenger with a return ticket consumes 2.9 tonnes. A tonne of shipping fuel contains 0.85 tonnes of carbon, which produces 3.1 tonnes of carbon dioxide. Every passenger is responsible for 9.1 tonnes of emissions. Travelling to New York and back on the QEII, in other words uses 7.6 times as much carbon as making the same journey by plane.

This Guardian article Is cruising any greener than flying contains a quote that suggests that cruising might be only only twice as bad as flying. Plus this quote from Responsible Travel: On a typical one-week voyage a cruise ship generates more than 50 tonnes of garbage and a million tonnes of grey (waste) water, 210,000 gallons of sewage and 35,000 gallons of oil-contaminated water. Some of this is pumped into ocean and some treated.

The crusing business is going to have to completely overhaul itself. It has got used to having very cheap fuel and never had to buy carbon or pay any other fuel tax.

 

Debate on ferry conversion factors

david

david

There is some disagreement on ferry conversion factors, here: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/01/carbon_calculat_1.html

Can anyone clarify what the correct figure is? Do these sources conlfict with those above?

 

Travel by TRAIN....It is possible

raphelan

Depending upon how much time you are prepared to spend travelling back home…I am sure (althought, I havn’t had time to check it all out) you could travel across land in the oposite direction by train. I know for sure that it is perfectly possible (and reasonably easy / cheap) to travel from Vladivostok back to Moscow, then catch a coach to London. I am not sure about getting from Alaska across to Vladivostok..you will have to check this one…

See the excellent web site : http://www.seat61.com/index.html

Which tells you how to get virtually anywhere by train, including travel within the USA. This has to be the most GREEN way to travel.

 

What about freighters?

robertg

I’m planning a trip of a lifetime – round-the-world without getting on a plane. For the Pacific and Atlantic bits I’m planning to use freighters, but I haven’t a clue what their emissions are like, or indeed how you would calculate them. Clearly dividing the total emissions by the number of passengers would make it seem impossibly wasteful because there are so few passengers, but their purpose is to carry cargo and that should be factored in somehow. Any one got any thoughts?

 

Cargo-ship carbon

Jamie

Jamie

Hi Robert,

It’s really difficult to estimate the emissions from cargo-ships due to many factors, but I have given it a go in a rather crass way on my low carbon travel site – http://www.loco2travel.com/2008/01/08/cargo-ship-emissions.

One of the main issues is that different ships have different routes and weights and so comparing with other modes of transport is tricky. I would definitely recommend having a look at hitch-hiking on a yacht as a possible alternative, like my sister Kate did. More info on that here:

http://www.loco2travel.com/adventures/sailing

Good luck with planning your trip!

Jamie

 

Sailing is better

robertg

Thanks for the info. Judging by the response from “stuffit”, cargo ships are definitely NOT the way to go – does seem to defeat the object if, as they say, it is worse than flying. But I’m just wondering whether other greenhouse gases need to be brought into the equation as well?

It looks like sailing is the answer…

If I ever do this, there will definitely be a blog of some description.

 

Lower Carbon World Tour

John Cossham

John Cossham

Hi Robert G, when you go on your lower carbon world tour, can you please do a blog so we can keep up with you?
See Mukti Mitchell’s 2007 round-Britain tour http://www.lowcarbonlifestyle.org/ for inspiration.

John Cossham