andy_ross |
In case you were wondering why CRAGs are being much harder on flying than the government carbon bean counters, here is the key quote from the 1999 IPCC SPECIAL REPORT: AVIATION AND THE GLOBAL ATMOSPHERE
http://www.ipcc.ch/pub/av(E).pdf
“Over the period from 1992 to 2050, the overall radiative
forcing by aircraft (excluding that from changes in cirrus
clouds) for all scenarios in this report is a factor of 2 to 4 larger than the forcing by aircraft carbon dioxide alone. The overall radiative forcing for the sum of all human activities is estimated to be at most a factor of 1.5 larger than that of carbon dioxide alone.”
Whereas Colin Challen’s 25/5 Challenge suggests using
0.15kgCO2 per km for short-haul, and 0.11kgCO2 per km for long-haul flights, I think most if not all of the CRAG groups are going for something more like what is quoted at
http://www.coinet.org.uk/solutions/carbon-rationing i.e.
0.51kgCO2 per km within Europe, and 0.32kgCO2 per km beyond Europe.
For the full story on aviation emissions check out
http://www.chooseclimate.org/flying/index.html
andy



aviation numbers are too high
john ackers
I think the CRAGs ought to review the aviation numbers they are using.
There is a lot of variation between the different models, you can get a 50% change in CO2 when you switch between models e.g climate care to choose climate to CRAG.
I have looked at two algorithms: Choose Climate algorithm and the Climate Care algorithm algorithm in detail. The differences are:
I think we need to agree on what numbers we should be using and use those numbers in our calculations, both in spreadsheets and online. Ideally, we should use different formulas for different models of plane.
Also, Chit Chong (partner of Lucy in Islington CRAG) also emailed me with similar issues which I’ll leave him to post.
John
p.s. The Islington group in Jan 07 meeting decided to use Climate Care model but that was largely based on my comments.
Re-edited to improve clarity on 13-Apr-07.